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Winter Gardens has a future, vows council

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Published Date:
14 May 2009
THERE is a future for Blackpool's Winter Gardens – despite massive losses at the box office.
Those are the views of regeneration chiefs who believe the Victorian venue does have a part to play in 21st Century Blackpool, but only providing it is made sustainable.

And that should include major investment from its owners, Blackpool's council leader said today.

Yesterday, The Gazette revealed parts of the iconic Winter Gardens could be under threat after a leaked report condemned it as having "little purpose in the modern world".

In the second part of our exclusive reports into the future of this entertainment legend, the full financial burden of the complex is unveiled.

Over the past five years, owners Leisure Parcs have lost almost £1m - a total only mitigated by the success of the Empress Ballroom.

When it is taken out of the equation, the losses add up to £2.7m casting doubt over the future some elements including the Opera House, the Pavilion Theatre and the Spanish Hall.

The figures - a combination of both actual losses and those projected for 2008/09 - show a sales slump at the Opera House from £816,000 in 2004/05 to an expected £376,000 in 2008/09.

But the "escalating" costs of building maintenance work and keeping on top of health, safety and disability legislation are both factors in the losses - £1.07m at the Opera House; £684,000 in event rooms such as The Spanish Hall and £969,000 in the public areas like the foyer and arcades.

Doug Garrett, chief executive of Blackpool's regeneration company ReBlackpool, said: "We need to find a sensible commercial use for the Winter Gardens because it is an expensive building to maintain.

"It is iconic in terms of Blackpool, and yes it does need to be retained. We need to keep all that's good about it but we need to look at commercial uses and that means some parts may need to change.

"The work being carried out in St John's precinct (including pedestrianised performance areas] will add value to the Winter Gardens and create a real sense of place but we can't lean on the private sector to do things at any cost.

"The Houndshill is across the road and clearly there is a link into retail or hotel space. The Empress Ballroom would be a fantastic space for any hotel to have as part of its offer."

The council has decided not to extend an annual £1m subsidy to Leisure Parcs to secure the use of the Winter Gardens as a conference venue, but will subsidise individual events instead.

A Leisure Parcs' spokeswoman said: "The Conservation Statement was a confidential document commissioned by Leisure Parcs in June 2008 (produced by conservation experts Brock Carmichael, Liverpool).

"This document was a precursor to the production of a detailed Conservation Management Plan which is currently being produced in consultation with English Heritage and we will shortly be engaging with Blackpool Council, ReBlackpool and other interested parties."

For the full story pick up a copy of Thursday's Gazette.

Comment: Why the Winter Gardens must be saved.
>> Winter Gardens face uncertain future


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Cogsie,

Manila 14/05/2009 10:04:03
".....only providing it is made sustainable. And that should include major investment from its owners, Blackpool's council leader said today"

Thank you Blackpool council for stating the obvious. We never realised that major investment and making the Winter Gardens sustainable would secure it's future.
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geezer466,

14/05/2009 11:43:46
The council should use existing statutory powers to enforce Mr Hemmings to improve the building or it should consider moving towards removing the listed status so the site can be redeveloped.

Inaction in all of this is what has led us to where we are today a glorious Victorian building that has been allowed to fall into a sad state of disrepair through inadequate investment.

The chips are down now Blackpool council regeneration is underway the WG cannot be allowed to escape that. It's owners must raise it's game through a massive investment by force of statute if necessary or reality has to be faced and the site levelled and regenerated for 21st century Blackpool.

The council can nor longer sit on the fence and must enforce one or the other.
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overwyrer,

14/05/2009 12:44:12
Oh I get it, because this topic got lots of attention and comments yesterday..we are going to have it every day for the rest of the month!
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Mr_Osato,

14/05/2009 13:32:18
"The Houndshill is across the road and clearly there is a link into retail or hotel space. The Empress Ballroom would be a fantastic space for any hotel to have as part of its offer."

Hardly sounds like 'preserving the Winter Gardens' - more like a (cheap and trashy?) conversion. People have mentioned the Printworks - but that was an old industrial building with little or nothing of interest inside. The wonder of the Winter Gardens aren't just the outside (which is in desperate need of a wash, by the way) but also much of the interior - part of not just Blackpool's history, but the UK's in its role as a conference venue. Mr Garrett of the unloved and often ignored ReBlackpool seems to be laying the path for Hemmings to cash in. What exactly has Garrett brought to Blackpool? Perhaps it's time for him to ReTire.

@overwyrer - a newspaper reporting on something people are interested in? Whatever next?
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14/05/2009 13:49:11
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NickWimbledon,

morden 14/05/2009 14:40:24
Maybe it can be converted to house more DSS from Manchester and Liverpool ?
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beachcomber,

blackpool 14/05/2009 14:49:43
so who is responsible for allowing this building to fall into such a bad state? what was the subsidy to leisureparcs for? just another freebie for yet another lousy tourist company,this council are a disgrace for the amount of money they waste on these blackmailing tourist companys.
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Blackpool Michelle,

Blackpool 14/05/2009 16:09:16
"The Houndshill is across the road and clearly there is a link into retail or hotel space. The Empress Ballroom would be a fantastic space for any hotel to have as part of its offer."

So lets give up The Empress Ballroom to the hotels why don't we. The big hotels of course because they are the ones who will be able to afford this space to rent. And then what happens to the year round trade for all of the Self Catering and B&B's? Any sporting event, dancing competition, concert or general convention will state that The Empress Ballroom in one of the best venues around. The Winter Gardens has needed alot doing to it for years but Leisure Parcs have neglected to do a thing to this building relying on return events. Already we have lost the Salsa and the Politicians. With so much work needed on the building, event organizers will go elsewhere while the work is being done. Will they return?

"We need to find a sensible commercial use for the Winter Gardens because it is an expensive building to maintain."
So once again, the sensible decision is being left up to the sensible people who really have no idea about how the town and it's residents work! Start involving the local businesses who live in and around the Winter Gardens and you will gain a few fresh and realistic ideas and the job might get done properly the first time round.
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fyldecoast,

fylde 14/05/2009 16:44:31
Doug Garrett again speaks good commonsense, it's the Olympia area and the Coronation st entrance which are particularly dreadful and need changing.The Council are right to stop the stupid blanket subsidy with seemingly no control on what happens to the £1million.The new proposal has a lot of merit but you'd think Leisure Parks could run the WG complex much better
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Danny M,

14/05/2009 17:03:40
#8: I don't know about everyone else in Blackpool but personally I don't care about the Self Catering or B&B establishments. The majority of them are a complete and utter eyesore, they look cheap, tacky, dirty and bring Blackpool down on the whole.

Places like Palatine Road, Reads Ave, etc (pretty much the entire central area) should be nuked from orbit.

It wouldn't be a problem if they looked decent, but the majority of them look worse than the Winter Gardens!
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