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Fury as council carpet over dancefloors



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Published Date: 05 February 2008
TOWN hall chiefs were today accused of being out of step after carpeting over dance floors to comply with health and safety rules.
Groups of elderly folk who regularly took a spin around the town's community centres have had to find alternative venues after traditional parquet floors were replaced with carpet.

The changes are intended to prevent falls – but it means dancing is now out of the question because people cannot slide their feet to the music.
Community centres at Spencer Court on Talbot Road and Ibbison Court on Central Drive are among those affected.

Coun Doreen Holt, who runs social activities at Ibbison Court, said: "It's madness. They said that if they didn't put carpet down and someone fell, they would get sued.

"But since 1973 when the centre opened no-one has ever fallen on it.
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"I think elderly people are more likely to trip over carpet or rugs. The dancers have had to pack up and move, which is a real shame.
"It's also going to be much more difficult to clean when we have children in, or if an elderly person spills a cup of tea."

Coun Ivan Taylor, whose ward includes Spencer Court, said: "On the one hand we've got the health people saying dancing is good for older people because it keeps them fit, and on the other hand health and safety are saying it's dangerous and you could fall over.

"There's never been an accident that I know of.
"They have been dancing there for 20 years."
Kathy Young, who ran the dance class at Spencer Court, said they regularly attracted up to 20 dancers.

She said: "It's very good exercise and social interaction, but we can't do it any more because you can't dance on the carpet and it's very hard to move all the chairs out of the way.
"People are having to go to other venues instead."

Coun Val Haines described the decision to put carpet down as "stupid".
She said: "All the dancers have packed up because they can't slide their feet. How much money are we spending on stupid ideas like this?"
The floors have been changed by Blackpool Coastal Housing, which is responsible for the sheltered housing schemes attached to the community centres.

The cost of upgrading Blackpool's 16 community centres to meet Disability Discrimination Act rules was £250,000 but that included other work to install disabled toilets, ramps and new entrances.
Blackpool Coastal Housing chief executive Peter Jefferson said: "We were required by law to carry out a risk assessment of all our community centres.

"In this assessment it was identified that we needed new flooring to fall in line with Disability Discrimination Act requirements.
"After consultation with local residents it was decided that carpet was the best option.

"We realise this change hasn't pleased everyone and we are trying to rectify some of the problems including the difficulty in moving chairs.
"Although carpet is not ideal for dancing, it is perfect for karate and other exercise classes where a slippery floor would be dangerous.
"It's difficult to keep everyone happy but we will listens to any concerns and see what we can to help.

"We're trying to make centres as welcoming as possible to all residents and the majority of people are happy with the changes we have made."

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05/02/2008 08:23:28
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Mr Positive,

www.phoenix.blackpoolzone.com 05/02/2008 08:23:55
You can't please all of the people all of the time.

I do wonder sometimes about "experts" giving us rules to live our life by.

Still, in a spirit of positivity. I used to run a mobile disco. We catered for weddings, birthday parties etc, the usual suspects. On occasion, the only venue available to us was a carpeted room and, quite rightly stated above, the surface wasn't really suitable for dancing. so we brought a dance floor with us! Yes, they are still available.

I appreciate that the centres probably already have a dance floor so it may appear "Coals to Newcastle" but if your hands are tied what are you going to do?

In the interim, there is a solution to the dancers problems. Dance like nobody is looking, enjoy your time whirling. I love to see people enjoy themselves. When you're not dancing, sit and write a letter to your MP regarding a reassessment of the Discrimination Law that put the carpets there. Don't shoot the messenger - Mr Jefferson is doing his job. A statement above makes that quite clear. I'm sure the council and Mr jefferson could better spend the money elsewhere. Drag the Nanny State across the carpet - not your feet.
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David C,

05/02/2008 08:25:48
It be much easier to get a wheelchair accross a wooden floor than it would on a carpet. What happens when people fall over and get Carpet burns. Nasty litle things and they hurt. Least on a wooden floor, u bump and can get back up. The Disability Discrimination act is about proving facilities for Disabled, its not about ignoring everyone else. Because all that does is breed comtempt and then Disabled are discriminated even more. I wished these do-gooders would think before they go off on one.

This Message will offend the Do-gooders, but there is no Do-gooder discrimination act yet, so :). Silly Policies and rules are what breed Discrimination.
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Logik,

05/02/2008 09:57:02
Where in DDA does it suggest to carpet a floor?
Karate and judo clubs used to have rubber mats to cover wooden floor when practicing. A personal and washable exercise mat is available for £5 for other exercise classes. Far more hygenic than a carpet.
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SoR82,

05/02/2008 10:38:35
HAHA absolute classic from the council that brought you Birley Street Street Lights that cost £2 million. I think im gonna wet myself if I keep reading this site!
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Mr Positive,

www.phoenix.blackpoolzone.com 05/02/2008 10:44:12
Hi Logik.
I don't know, because I haven't read the Act, but it's most likely an interpretation of a safety issue.

Now, as a thought. What about Ice Rinks? Maybe a nice Axminster? Or do they bar people over a certain age? Interpretation and Precedent are how laws are created. Unfortunately (I have a friend who is a lawyer). The "Every Eventuality" clause has probably been slipped in by some Civil Servant legal expert who has neither the time nor the resources to write individual little lines to suit everyone.

I'm sure the council and such people rather than be branded "Do-Gooders" are only doing what they are told by some higher power. Every Act of Parliament is signed by the Monarch, who is indeed a pensioner and she lives in a Council House! (Technically any way - Buckingham Palace is owned by the State!). So, is the ballroom there going to be covered with supercord?

Look - its all bizarre and my comment is intended to raise a smile and not the hairs on your neck.

We have to take it for now, but negotiation and fortitude will foster opinion. I'm sure there will be a way to resolve it if we all stay calm and polite, we will move forward.
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john garnham,

blackpool 05/02/2008 11:34:35
All these councillors say this is just madness. Time for the so called leaders to lead and put a stop to all this sort of nonsense,they say there have been no incidents in the 20 years of operation. The public are fed up with "Health & Safety" which has exceeded reasonable commonsense and ruined many activities enjoyed for countless years. Should we have to close the Tower Ballroon or PB ice rink on the same basis. As for consultaion I strongly suspect It was the same smokescreen as with the Post Office fiasco.
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Ilacsit,

Blackpool 05/02/2008 12:31:18
I notice these dogooder are never named, so if they want these ridiculous order to be carried out let them put a name to them.
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aubdawb,

05/02/2008 12:42:20
It's insane to carpet a dance floor, but with the compensation culture that has been created over recent years, I don't blame the council. People in the town will only sue the council if they fall. Perhaps people who use facilities such as this should be made to sign a disclaimer that if they fall over they will not sue the council. However, I doubt many people would actually sign it, just in case they did fall...
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Rand Hobart,

BlackpoolNow.com 05/02/2008 13:14:44
It's about time the people employed to interpret H&E rules & guidelines had a brain, or at least an eye on reality and not an eye on 'potential' claims which would be thrown out by any reasonable court.

Stop preempting nonsense and get real.
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